I’ve talked about this guy in the past, and I was thinking that that would end there, but I honestly wanted to make this post responding to his latest video where he basically does everything but name names in an effort to express how angry and butthurt he is about how little he is regarded in the community that he believed he would have a prominent place in. Where once he was liked and respected by the atheist YouTube community, now he is a laughingstock and is destroying his channel one video at a time. After years of getting more and more upset, I guess the pressure got to him and he couldn’t take it anymore. In what will be his magnum opus of butthurt anger, we have Steve Shives talking about “5 Toxic Things About YouTube Atheism.” Let the salt flow…
This was painful. But not just painful. It was also just sad to watch. It’s been made abundantly clear with this video that Shives is not bothered on some professional level or just a little confused or anything that could approach objectivity. He’s angry. He’s so angry. All over this video is rage at the people who have finally taken off the gloves with him and destroyed him quite thoroughly. Now that his channel is hemorrhaging subs, it’s clear that his time in any kind of spotlight is about to end. And given how personal it has all been made, it’s pretty clear that he’s angry beyond a point that’s healthy. Let’s list his points that he makes and go through ow each is bullshit.
It has a sexism problem
No, Steve. It has a feminism problem. A mistake that you make throughout this entire video is that you equate attacking feminism with attacking women. Those things are not connected. When people in the YouTube atheist sphere attack videos made by feminists, they are attacking the points that they make. These aren’t people coming on video and saying, “Fuck you, you stupid cunts! You should go back to the kitchen!” While The Drunken Peasants Podcast is a humorous show, they do talk about the videos that they’re watching and the content within them. TJ, Thunderf00t, The Armoured Skeptic (it’s so clear who he’s talking about. He’s doing everything but naming names) have all made videos attacking the ideas of content creators that they don’t like, but it’s just that – the ideas that they espouse. While some of them are indeed bad people, such as that black chick who hates all white people because we’re all terrible in her eyes or the con artist Anita Sarkeesian, we talk about the things they have to say. That’s the point. Steve is equating what everyone says with a grand statement about women and a hatred of them.
It’s telling that he never uses evidence. Like video clips, for example? That would be a good place to start. Show some video evidence of all these people that you hate (because they are more liked and successful than you) hating women. Could it be that you can’t? Could it be that your attempts to do so would lead people to maybe seeing through your narrative? There’s a reason that TJ and all the rest use video clips to prove their points. That way people can’t say they are taking things out of context. Funny how you can’t do the same.
It also has a racism problem
The level of transparency about who he is talking about is unbelievable. I just wish he would come out and say it. This has EVERYTHING to do with the recent video and the follow-ups to that video that TJ made about the questions that black people not of BuzzFeed had for white people. That video blew up with people all over saying that it’s a sure sign that TJ is racist. Why? A couple of reasons. First, because TJ said that gentrification isn’t a bad thing. He said that he would much rather see nice buildings as opposed to a slum that is likely to have a higher crime rate than a not slum. Never mind that that is what happens with gentrification. They do actual good. And it isn’t just black people displaced by it. There have been plenty of trailer parks that get that treatment too. As TJ rightly pointed out in a follow-up video, the problem isn’t gentrification, it’s the poverty that leads to that. Groj forbid that we might want to do something about that.
Then there is the point that TJ made about how a large portion of the black community who is all about the BLM kind of activism are part of a victim cult. He’s right, Steve! The response that Martin Hughes made to him proved him absolutely right. You have black people in wealthy universities telling people in trailer parks that they have power and privilege over them. You have people trading on whatever victim points they possibly can in order to capitalize on victimhood points. It’s a currency in the First World now, and that is complete bullshit. Pointing out that these people in-particular have a victim complex is not making a statement against all black people. You keep extrapolating between a group and the whole. It can’t just be TJ talking about certain people. No, he has to be hating on all black people. The implication of all of this is that TJ would feel just at home palling around with skinheads and white nationalists. A notion so stupid and insulting that you might as well just call him a Nazi and get it over with.
It has a religious bigotry problem, too
When Martin Hughes did his first diatribe in Patheos, he came out and said that he wished that he could just turn in his atheism card and go back to church. Someone I held among kindred intellects recently went the distance and did it. I wish Steve would just come out with the same. Here he again makes the logical fallacy that anytime we insult one element of a religion, we are insulting all of it. Taking the talking points that Islam is a race or a culture. It’s not. It’s a religion, Steve. We are attacking that religion for the stupid things that it espouses.
He then goes back in time to when the YouTube atheism sphere was starting out and how we had made attack videos on some of the more low-hanging fruit of the day. The likes of Venom Fang X or ShockofGod. Yeah, Steve. We did that. It was good times. Back before all of this SJW bullshit when we could come together and stand as one. Remember those days? Oh, right, you weren’t around. In fact, most who were around aren’t anymore. There are so many names that are gone from that list. Names like Rational Warrior, King Heathen, Mr. Filthy Rags, and countless others. Again, the argument is made that it was nothing but just horrendous attack without any regard for the feelings of those we were just insulting. Because it’s nothing but bigotry. Let’s forget that users like Venom Fang X truly did ask for it when they went out of their way to bait people. Kind of like what you’re doing now, Steve! Baiting people! It’s all you can do to keep your channel afloat. You know that a video like this will get people to make responses, which in turn will get people watching your videos. It’s all so blunt, but you won’t admit it. You’re dick-riding, Steve. So pathetic.
It’s addicted to drama and conflict
Well, yeah. Sure. There is a lot of talk of drama in the YouTube atheism sphere. Why? Because it gets clicks. I guarantee, the pwnage videos of Venom Fang X got a lot of clicks. Debunking videos were always fun to watch. People wanted to be entertained. Seeing personalities we like attacking the ideas of people that we do not like is enjoyable. But again, they weren’t going after the people just because they were there. It was also about attacking their ideas. We wanted to make mockery of what they believe, which in turn would make one of them. That was an incidental result of the mockery, Steve, not the cause of it. I don’t make posts attacking Anita Sarkeesian just because. I do it because something that that con artist has said is stupid enough for me to make sport of. I didn’t go after Milo Stewart because she’s a transtrender punk who feels the need to tell me how I feel. I went after her because I think her ideas are stupid and I think the way she sees the world is telling in respect to her personality.
Response videos are as old as YouTube itself. The biggest irony is that you are currently engaged in piggy-backing off the drama culture in order to prop yourself up! You’re hemorrhaging subs, Steve! People don’t like you anymore. This is all you can do to bring in those all-important clicks. The whole reason I am doing this post is connected to that, but we’ll get to that when we get there.
It reflects poorly on the atheist movement
There is no such thing, Steve! That does not exist! For a time, it did. There was a while there that YouTube atheism was coalescing into a larger movement. Then Atheism + had to stick their ugly head into things and the community that could have been was torn right down the middle. Those days are gone, Steve. Take a look at the last Reason Rally and tell me that it’s not. People who were there said that they got 1,000 people to attend. If that. There is no atheist community anymore. It’s gone. You and yours have a good part of that because we were too busy fighting with each other and it got to the point that everything that was built up died. The irony is that then Atheism + died, and now the community hasn’t come back. People moved on. Because it’s no longer about atheism. Now the battle is against a larger enemy who has also moved on – the SJWs. Your ilk has redrawn battle lines that existed since the early days of YouTube and now have conservative Christians allying with atheist liberals to attack a perceived greater threat. In a way, Steve, you and yours should feel proud. You took something with potential and destroyed it. Nice work.
Then we get to the end, and the truth of all this is fully revealed. It’s all in that last diatribe about how much YouTube atheists are “assholes” and you getting so angry about it. In that last sentence, the look on your face is such pure, white-hot rage. Which brings me to my point in this post – it’s time to stop this, Steve. You need to calm your tits and walk away from this mess. Your channel is doing terribly, and the whole reason it’s gotten here is because TJ had finally had enough and did a video that was hugely successful and where he used your own words to utterly destroy you. Did it feel good, seeing TJ on the screen showing you for a would-be censor who would silence opposing points of view if you had the power? I can already see you, sitting in that chair, fuming as TJ ripped apart how your channel is dying while he is on the cusp of getting over 1,000,000 subs. I know for a fact that you hated that moment and it still burns you. Even now. But you need to stop this.
You did everything but name names in this video, because you know that if you had, it would have been slander. You’ve defended Jenny McDermott in the past, and I’m just waiting until you get to the point that you are taking her method of keeping herself relevant and just making inflammatory statements about other content creators. I see it coming, and you need to walk away, Steve. Just step off and walk from this. Go back into your echo-chamber and make more videos about SJW bullshit. Because if you keep on this path, you will be at the levels of Jonathan McIntosh when it comes to pathetic. Take a look at his Patreon and tell me I’m wrong.
Until next time, a quote,
“All art is knowing when to stop.” – Toni Morrison