I haven’t done a post about atheism on this site in a VERY long time. Years, by my reckoning. But recently I saw something that just got me rolling my eyes enough to make a post. See, I’ve watched the Drunken Peasants back when they were a big thing, and one of my favorite of their crazy people was The Vigilant Christian (I almost wrote in The Vigilant Christina. I should just run with that) Mario. A religious idiot whose worldview is impossible to stand up to the least amount of criticism. Because when he went on The Drunken Peasants and Paul decided to throw in his face some of the contradictions of his values system and the religious text it’s based on, his go-to defense was always “I’m just hear to give you my worldview!” Yeah, and they were criticizing it with you having no rebuttal. Mario is at his best in an echo chamber.
One of Mario’s biggest argument about atheists like myself is that we actually do know that God is real, we just choose to be in denial. He says that the Bible talks about this and brings up passages claiming that there will be doubters. Yeah, a book about a desert sky wizard is going to have doubters. That’s a shock. That would be like if the Harry Potter books said that there will be people who doubt magic’s existence and we should have faith that it does exist. On both counts it’s wrong.
See, I have family who thinks this way too. They think that I am in blatant denial of what is so absolutely evident. Except, it’s not. Where is the evidence for it? Where is the evidence for God? I’m sure that Mario will bring up things about the perfection of creation. That’s a bullshit argument. There are plenty of things about creation that are downright wrong. Like birth defects, the fact that humans eat and breathe through the same tube, and the fact that our reproductive organs are right next to our bowels. As Neil DeGrasse Tyson put it – it’s like having an amusement park next to a sewage plant.
Not to mention the fact that there are so many bad things in this world. Mario is a subscriber to the belief in presuppositional apologetics. This idea that if we just assume that the answer is God that all the questions then fall into place. A belief so unfathomably stupid that is defies reason. Let me tell you why. See, I got a friend who was the victim of years of sexual violence by a family member. Here is my question, Mario – why would an all-powerful, all-loving, all-kind and all-seeing God allow that to happen? Mario’s argument is the same that an uncle I have is – that it’s all part of a plan. What was the plan? What’s the plan there?
Or maybe you’ll get the response – it was Satan that did it. I hate this argument. Why is Satan allowed to do his thing? God is supposed to be all-powerful. That means that he can wiggle his nose, and Satan and his followers are destroyed. So why doesn’t he? If I had the ability to destroy all the bad things in the world and cause the world to be a great place for everyone, I would. Anyone would. Unless you completely devoid of empathy, you would help if you saw something being raped by a family member. Anyone would, Mario. Anyone. So if us imperfect humans would use this power to step in and do the right thing, why is the all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful God not? It’s basically the Epicurus argument, but I have yet to hear a compelling answer to that question.
Mario likes to say that us atheists refuse to tackle the arguments that he is so sure are going to DESTROY our atheism. I just destroyed the fine-tuning argument, so that’s already done. I presented the Epicurus argument for evil’s existence, for which I have yet to see a single Christian give me an answer that doesn’t come in the form of “God has a plan,” which is bullshit, or “mankind has free will,” which doesn’t answer why God doesn’t destroy evil if he has the power. So there’s that. I’ve destroyed the Cosmological Argument (link here). I have yet to hear an argument from Christians about God’s existence that doesn’t ring hollow to me.
I look at this universe and I see there being no real perfection. This universe is about chaos. Did you know that there is a black hole zooming around the cosmos? It could be anywhere, right now. There probably are more than one. This universe is about chaos, and then order coming, only for new chaos to disrupt that order and then order to be found from that chaos. Give and take. Push and pull. Yin and yang. This idea that all of that was created just for us dumb little humans is so unbelievably arrogant.
Here’s the thing – I get where people like Mario get their beliefs from. In Mario’s case, it’s because the man is a Section 8 who bawls on camera saying that God will cure him of his crippling anxiety problems, along with bawling at a pool when he is being baptized. This man has mental problems that have gone untreated for a very long time. Now they manifest in insane conspiracy theories and hyper-religious beliefs. And if his beliefs ever faltered, his mental health would die instantly.
For people like my hyper-religious family, they each have their own reasons. For one of them, it’s that life REALLY gave him the shaft and he has to believe that it was all for some greater purpose. For another it’s the fear of death and the idea that once we die, that’s it. That our existence blinks out and we are done. Such is the case for a lot of people.
But I am not in denial of the existence of God that I believe deep down in my heart. If I actually believed that God existence, and that Heaven and Hell are real, then why would I choose to not follow that belief structure? Oh, right, so I am free to sin. Oh wait, that’s bullshit. What sins am I looking to do? I’ve never killed anyone. I have never raped anyone. I have no desire to do these things. What sin am I looking to do? Well, I do like kinky sex, but I like it with people who are consenting, because I like my partner to be satisfied as well. It’s kind of a big deal for me. Is that the sin? Maybe my predilection toward smoking pot? Yeah, I like that. But that’s hurting no one. Not even myself. It’s the safest drug in the world. What exactly am I looking to do with this desire to sin?
Mario, on the off-chance you see this, there has NEVER been a religious argument put to me that I have bought into. I have refuted all of them pretty handily. You start with the view that God is the answer, so now you have to craft the questions to fit that. I start with the belief that I have a question, look at the evidence, and if the evidence proves to one thing, then I will go in that direction. To date, your belief in God has not met my burden of proof. And since you have the belief, it’s up to you to convince me of that. You’re the one making a positive statement.
Oh right, you have the belief that God is so absolutely evident that not believing in him is tomfoolery. I forgot. My bad.
Until next time, a quote,
“Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told.” – George Carlin