Well, I figure that I haven’t gone after these people in a while, so I will do my usual kind of post. I will put the original video, and then do a hit for hit from the video I am attacking. For those of you who don’t know, there is a group called Real Catholic TV. They are made up exclusively by bigots. Their channel on YouTube is hosted by the bigot/not journalist, Michael (Mike) Voris. The video we are attacking today is called “Liberals, Democrats And Hell.” Oh is this going to be fun. All of that said, here we go.
Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex, where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed.
I’m Michael Voris.
Hi Mike. How’s it going? You’ve got me and my readers here. What have you got to say?
So, here’s an interesting question – do people who vote liberal believe in Hell?
Right out of the gates, this is stupid. Alright, I’ll answer your question – for the most part, yes, they do. Most people in this country are Christian, and I haven’t met many Christians who don’t believe in Hell. I don’t, but then, I don’t believe in your Middle-Eastern desert fairytale God, either. So, I think you can figure out where you stand from there.
There’s a buzzkill you can toss out there at your next social function where you find yourself. You know, as in, ‘Hey Bob, you said you’re voting liberal! I was curious, do you believe in Hell?’
Well, we can first say that you have no social tact whatsoever. You’re an asshole. You aren’t nice to anybody, from the sounds of things (except other bigots like you). If I was at this party, my response would be – “No, Mike, I don’t. Do you believe in courtesy, decency, or kindness? Oh, you don’t? I’m sorry, my mistake. I thought you were something other than a complete piece of shit.”
It’s an interesting question because the answer uncovers much and reveals the person’s world view. And to be perfectly fair (yeah, I’m sure), a person’s worldview is their core. It’s the place where all their motivations and actions spring forth.
What?! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! Or at least heard today. Your worldview is shaped by your motivations and values. It is the byproduct of what you believe, how you act. It doesn’t shape anything, or cause anything to “spring forth.” It is something that is sprung, or shaped.
So, it’s no surprise, as you look over polls, and discover that those who support OBAMA (note capitalization), for example, self-identify as much less religious than those who want him out of here.
Oh non-existent God you’re dumb. First off, I know plenty of people who have some pretty hardcore religious views who support Obama. I have a friend who is a hardcore evangelical Christian who fervantly supported Obama. Now neither of us do since he revealed himself to be a two-faced turncoat to true liberal ideas, along with human decency. But I will give, the people who vote conservative do generally tend to be some of the most religious people there are. But you can’t make the claim that people who support Obama as much less religious. In a country where 6 out of 10 people don’t believe in the Theory of Evolution, which has mountains of evidence, you just can’t be that dumb.
Now, it’s true that not everyone who identifies as religious believes in Hell. But you’ll be much more likely to find the fire and the brimstone believes among the self-identified religious, than among the secularist humanist party crowd.
Wow, he’s got a point. But, here’s my counter – so what? There is no Hell, because there is no God. Or at least, no God that is talked about in any religion. I can’t disprove a deist God, but I sure as hell can disprove the Christian God. So, why does that matter?
In fact, it would be fair and reasonable (two things Mike isn’t) to say that a central issue, a measuring rod, a predictor of how this election might turn out is this very question – Do you believe in Hell, yes or no?
No, dumb-dumb, a fair and reasonable assumption about this election is that none of the Republican candidates hold a candle against Obama. The liberal crowd is disillusioned with him, but the Republican voters hate ALL of the candidates that they’ve got. The two front-runners, Romney and Santorum, are loathed by the bulk of the Republican electorate, because the bulk of their electorate is moderate-right. The Tea Party ousted the moderate politicians, but not the moderate voters, either moderate-left or moderate-right. You are dumb.
And here’s the reason –
This should be good.
if someone does not believe in Hell, there’s a lot of silly reasons that people reject the idea,
Like science, logic, reason, intelligence, free-thinking. Lots of REALLY stupid reasons. Damn right!
then they don’t really hold Heaven in all that high regard here. If everyone gets to go to Heaven, then how is Heaven really that much different than Earth?
What I love most about this is the point that he is making that he needs to feel superior. I have this feeling that Catholics have a huge superiority complex. They believe that their religion is the right one, and if you don’t believe like they do, you’re going to burn. Such a pathetic fail.
It’s not that the more-religious minded want people to go to Hell, belief in Hell is not only rooted in ‘Devine Revelation,’ (bullshit) but also in intuition, and internal voice that says that justice demands a Hell.
Wow, that’s powerful stupid. No, we don’t have an inner voice that says that people should be tortured for all eternity. Not unless we are sick fucks like you, apparently. We want justice, but we want measured justice. Justice that actuall fits the crime, not this pathetic ego-trip that your God desperately wants us to believe in so much.
Something inside us just says, ‘Wow, Mother Teresa, really, hanging out with unrepentant serial killers, child molesters, and parents and spouses who cheated on each other and rationalized everything as they ruined their kids childhood, just so they could have sex with someone other than their spouse. They get to hang out with Mother Teresa for eternity?
Well, I think that would be fair. Given how this woman was a crook, took money from the worst scum of the Earth, like the Duvalier family, had fortunes that never went into her hospitals, deliberately kept the patients there in poverty and living like beggers, advocated for no condoms or birth control in places like Africa, yeah, I think she is in appropriate company. Of course, I don’t believe in the after-life, but still, she is a scum. I get that. But a Catholic surely wouldn’t. They love this woman because she espoused their bigotry as much as they do.
It’s not that the sinner’s beyond the mercy of God, of course they aren’t. But they have to WANT that mercy. They have to admit their evil to themselves, and God all those other people they’ve deliberately injured.
Yeah, let’s never-mind that this God must be a real piece of shit since he allows evil to exist at all, created man to do what he doesn’t want, and will send them to a place to burn for all eternity, even though they don’t have any free will. If you believe in fate, there cannot be free will. It isn’t possible. Logic, people, that’s where its at.
In the absence of this, does it seems JUST that they should get to receive eternal joy right alongside Saint Francis, Saint Joan of Arc, Saint Stevens, Saint Isaac, etc.
Since most of those people were murderers or worse, then yeah, I think they would fit in well.
Who lived, and not to mention died, exactly they opposite.
They killed people, spread lies, often were involved in torture and mutilation. Yeah, they fit right in. Actually, wait, most liberals wouldn’t want to demean ourselvs by hanging out with these kinds of scum.
So, see, if everyone is in Heaven (a place that also doesn’t exist), and with the repentant and the un-repentant, what’s the big deal about Heaven?
Good question. It sounds dull.
That wouldn’t be all that different from life that we know here on Earth.
You know, I could have swore there was a bible verse in Luke about that –
Luke 17:21 – Nor will people be able to say, “it is here,” or “it is there.” For the Kingdom of God is within you.
Apparently, Mike also cannot read. I’m glad we’re getting so much proof that he’s stupid.
And this becomes the kind of default position of those who dismiss the reality of Hell.
One question, Mike – where is your proof for Hell? If you quote the Bible, you’re an even bigger idiot. Offer me proof, and I will accept something as real. Though even with proof, there is always something that could disprove it, so you can never truly know that something is an absolute reality.
They take a kind of ‘pass’ on Heaven as well. At least, in a meaninful manner.
O-kay. That’s really dumb.
Not really into the Heaven thing in the next life, they expend a great deal of effort trying to have Heaven in THIS LIFE.
We try to make life better here. Oh the humanity! We are such monsters!
They use drugs and booze, engage in wanton sex, attach themselves to material wealth, adopt a view that the Earth is the upper-most of concerns, in regard to the climate, saving every species they ever heard of, while enlisting every government program to achieve every goal that can be imagined.
Uh, I’m not seeing the problem. I am actually with Carlin on my view of climate change, and don’t think its the biggest problem there is, I don’t do drugs or drink booze. I know most people don’t just go out and get shit-faced and trip out every day of the week. As for wanton sex, I wish. I miss getting that.
In short, they want to bring about a utopia! This is exactly why Karl Marx said, ‘religion is the opium of the people.’ And why the Marquis de Sade said of religion that it is, ‘this opium that you feed your people.’
Okay, first, if you are a truly informed liberal, you realize that a perfect utopia isn’t possible. Human nature naturally goes away from that. We keep improving the quality of life, and we get as close as possible, trying to help everyone. And for the second bit there, this was a very clever attempt to sound smart and use Marx and de Sade as a proof of how bad our ideas are, because according to them, they are bad people. Marquis de Sade, yeah, he was bad, but Marx, he wasn’t a bad guy at all, he was just a dude who ripped of the book “Utopia.”
No big surprise here. Some people strive for Heaven in eternity, others wish to initiate it here on Earth, because they don’t believe it exists in the next life.
No, we believe in looking out for our fellow man. I’m surprised you don’t, since Jesus doled out free healthcare, even to non-believers or those who believed in other faiths, commanded his people to give to the poor and help them without condition or restraint, and told us to look out for each other. Why don’t you work with us, if you follow this guy as the son of God?
It would be ridiculous to think that these two opposing views, and they are in opposition to each other, don’t get translated, at least in part, to the ballot box.
What? What views? Liberalism and conservatism? Well, duh! We already knew that. Also, there are plenty of liberals who believe in Heaven and plan on going there, they just still want to make things better, for everybody. You clearly hate Jesus, since you don’t buy into that.
People who are motivated by ‘authentic’ faith in God will overwhelmingly vote one way, and those that don’t have that motivation will vote another way.
Yeah, I call bullshit. Apparently the name S.E. Cupp means nothing to you. She is one of the biggest conservatives there is, and she doesn’t believe in God. She is against gay rights and abortion as much as you are, and she has no belief in God. Likewise, there are plenty of ‘authentic’ Christians who don’t follow your bigotries, Mike.
People who do not think that Hell actually exists, or if it does and nobody actually really goes there, or goes there for eternity, are simply not going to give a hoot, about objectively moral issues like abortion, same-sex ‘marriage’ (he put the quotes there, not me), euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, because they don’t believe in objective morality.
Because there is no objective morality. You Christians are against murder, right? Except when the government does it, or soldiers do it overseas for no good reason. Morality is a system created by those in power and given to those without it. That’s how this works. I believe in living with empathy, because empathy guides you to behaving like a better person, without all the smoke and mirrors of your desert fairytale God.
They will be much more likely to cast their vote for parties or laws or candidates who share their view, that the only Heaven you’re ever gonna get a crack at is here on Earth. A kind of political version of ‘you better get while the gettin’s good.’
What? No, we believe in helping as many people as possible, with the resources we have available. This man is an imbecile.
If morality is rooted in what each individual person wants, then why should anyone case their vote for anything other than their own narrow interests?
They shouldn’t, and they don’t. People cast their vote for their own interests. This has been established. You do it too, like voting for bigots like Rick Santorum, who you have said is the Catholic poster-boy. Oh non-existent God, the Catholic church is starting to look stupider and stupider every day.
Sometimes, shared in by others for their equally and purely selfish reasons, but often-times not. Not exactly a good understanding of the COMMON GOOD is it now?!
Actually, yeah, it is. There is no common good. The idea of common good is that there are universally things that are good for everybody. Since all cultures are different and everybody has their own values system, that is ridiculous. So you are totally pulling this out of your ass.
Make no mistake – who a people elect and how they vote says everything about whether they believe in Hell, Heaven, or God.
I’ve all pwned that to death. I don’t want to beat a dead horse.
Absolutely it does. God love you, I’m Michael Voris.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we can’t afford to ignore religion. This video has over 9,000 views, by the making of this post. There are potentially 9,000 people who actually believe in this horseshit at comes spewing from the anus that this man calls a mouth. This man is an imbecile, and he needs to be gotten rid of.
Until next time, a quote,
“It’s no secret that a lot of Christians want mandatory prayer back in our schools. And its no secret that the major obstacle to gay rights is Christian fundamentalism. It’s no secret that the people protesting outside of abortion clinics, calling women ‘whores’ just because they’re making a choice about their own bodies, those people are all Christians.” -TJ Kincaid, CHRISTIANITY, SERIOUSLY? (Deleted By YouTube)