I did a post about the rebranding of anti-LGBT rhetoric by conservatives, and there was somebody who decided to make a response to me. It’s a conservative person who acknowledges that conservative values is a nebulous term that is vague and often difficult to define. So he decided to make a list of what his values are, and asked me to look it over. Which I have done. And, as you might imagine, I have thoughts about said values. Now, I am actually going to try and make a good faith argument in my response to this person, because they sent this to me in good faith. I make no promises that it will last, considering I despise conservatives of the modern age. But let’s respond to their list of values on their site. Here’s a link so you can make sure I’m taking anything out of context.
LIFE – Every human life is important, from babies in the womb to prisoners on death row. I do not support abortion, nor do I support the death penalty.
One of the things that I am most annoyed with by pro-life people is that they are almost always inconsistent with it. I hear them say that they are pro-life, and so I ask them – are you against the death penalty, then? When they say no, it tells me that they are full of shit. So, while I vehemently disagree with this guy’s position, I’ll give him that he’s at least consistent. Although, I would ask if this guy is anti-war too, but as we’ll find out later, this dude LOVES our military, so probably not.
LIBERTY – Defined as “the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views,” liberty is in fact freedom. The next value listed below, Limited Government, ensures that restrictions and regulations provided by the government do not become oppressive.
I’m gonna hold on this person’s beliefs about a limited government when we get to the parts of law enforcement and the military. It’s gonna look really funny. Also, our government is already oppressive. We live in a country where the government collects everything you send to anyone, from emails to texts, through PRISM. That doesn’t seem a little fascist to you? Trump wants to actually throw the Constitution away and make it so the results of the 2020 election are void. We have the largest prison population in the world. The government is allowed to tell you what you are and aren’t allowed to put into your body (the drug war. The biggest failure that our government keeps going because of how much money is involved for their corpo masters). This all seems pretty oppressive. So, what’s to be done about that?
THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS – Another way of saying “freedom to follow one’s heart”, this right should be considered a “basic human right“.
So long as nobody is being hurt by that, I got no beef with this.
A commonly held core conservative value is that of limited government. But it means different things to different people. In my own understanding, it should be a government in size as small as possible, and a government in reach/power as small as possible while keeping the peace and protecting citizens. Limited government is required to support the above value of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Here we get to the really juicy stuff. So, this person is in support of law enforcement. I’m not against law enforcement on the merits, but here’s my inquiry – what is their views on the militarization of police? Republican politicians sure do want to make this more of an issue. Not to mention, the endless videos that come out of police abusing their authority. To say nothing about the absolute proof of how cowardly the police are, as we DEFINITIVELY learned in Uvalde, Texas, where 400 cops were too scared to take on one kid with one gun and sat back and did nothing while 19 students and 2 teachers died. That also seems kind of oppressive, but whatever. I also wonder what this person thinks of what our military budget is, but we’ll get there when we get there.
Bill of Rights
Everyone knows the Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. This list of 10 “rights” should be considered sacrosanct and not be up for debate at all. Unfortunately, over the years, many of them have become bastardized and repurposed. As a core value of mine, I feel we as a nation need to reinvigorate our understanding of these rights, and enforce their existence, despite government intervention.
So then, the militarization of police, the warrentless wiretapping and collecting of information by the NSA, and the erasure of Habeas Corpus, post 9/11, this person is against ALL of that, I would assume. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that the answer is yes. I’m feeling charitable today.
Strongly worded in the 4th amendment, the right to personal property shall not be violated. Period.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated…”
In too many instances today, unreasonable search and seizure has become common practice among law enforcement. The core value also needs to be reinvigorated and forcefully reinstituted.
Okay. I’m on the same page. We need to get rid of the militarization of the police in this country. We also need to destroy the Bush Doctrine and the Patriot Act, both of which were expanded under Obama and Trump. PRISM needs to be gotten rid of, along with any other programs the NSA uses to spy on American citizens.
Peace Through Strength
Government’s greatest responsibility is to protect its citizens. The best way to do that is with a strong military.
“We know only too well that war comes not when the forces of freedom are strong, but when they are weak. It is then that tyrants are tempted.”Ronald Reagan – Republican National Convention, July 17 1980
We currently have the strongest, best trained military in the world, despite attempts by liberals to reduce it. We need to maintain that strong position.
And…this guy’s full of shit. I was waiting to get to this part. The second I started reading through this list, I knew that I would finally have my moment to declare this person a fucking hypocrite, and I didn’t have to wait long. So, this guy who wants a limited government, wants our massive, bloated military. We spend more than the next 15 countries put together for our military. The latest audit of the military showed that there is over $1 trillion that is completely lost. Nobody knows where it is. It doesn’t exist on paper. This is the military this guy has a big boner for. One that can casually misplace $1 trillion. Limited government my ass. I guess this clown just wants to have a big-ass military boner. Can’t wait until we get to the part about fiscal responsibility. Then I am REALLY going to have fun with this guy.
Small government spends less. Size of social programs, like welfare and social security, although necessary should be kept to a minimum. But, size of government agencies in terms of volume of employees should also be kept to a minimum.
Wow. Just…wow. Let me put something into perspective for you all – the national debt grew to levels unseen under Bush, when he decided that America needed to give Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and Boeing a paycheck in the Middle East. Wars where we don’t even know who we’re fighting anymore. Sure, Obama didn’t help. Nor did Trump. America’s wars in the Middle East have been nothing but a financial black hole. Check out The Afghanistan Papers, detailing the military’s own inquiry into what a mess this has been. The troops over there don’t even know who the enemy is anymore. Meanwhile, the Bush, Obama, Trump, and now Biden administrations LIED to the American people about what all these wars were about. It’s obscene. The military is now over HALF of the total budget of this country. Take a look at this neat little figure to show you exactly what I mean –
Ah yes. Welfare programs are such a massive chunk of our government’s spending. I can see why this person would think the way that they do. I’m sure that tiny sliver of government spending is REALLY putting our government out. Give me a fucking break.
The economy should be allowed to rise or fall on its own based on activities in the private sector. Government should use as little regulation as possible to allow for free trade.
I will never understand conservatives. They are in favor of the corpos who are endlessly profiting off the suffering of the average people. In Nevada, they want to bring back company towns, by having a city that is run by corporations. Or BlackRock, a corporation who is comically evil, in every sense of the word. Who buys houses at rates that the common person could NEVER compete with, just to then rent them out. Their stated goal is to prevent ownership of homes by the people. Their CEO has outright said that nobody wants to own a home anymore. These are the corpos that people like this guy champion. Yay! The free market. These people seem to idealize a bygone era that is most typified by shows like Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best, yet they routinely are against things that would make that happen. What would make that happen is a robust middle class where you could have a family that is supported by one income. That doesn’t exist anymore. Over 2/3 of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And these chodes want to give the corpos even more power. I don’t get these people. They say one thing, but then believe something else. It would be funny, if it wasn’t so frustrating.
Individual Freedoms – Social/Moral Behaviors
If the freedoms to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are to be consistently provided, legislation in the area of social and moral behaviors must be reckoned with. As stated in my blog post called Interesting Conversations, I strongly believe that all laws are based on moral judgements.
The overturning of Glass Steagall, which essentially has allowed corpos to buy elections. That was moral? The Supreme Court ruling that said that police have NO obligation to Protect and Serve (DeShanney v Winnebago County). That’s moral? Supreme Court rulings are law. If you are going to paint this broadly, then you have to own all of it. By the way, what “social and moral behaviors” are we talking about? You another conservative who wants the gays back in the closet?
Rule of Law
No one is above the law, and all government branches and agencies should be open to scrutiny.
To that end, I support the idea of adding an amendment to the Constitution that requires all congressmen, judges and executive branch members to be audited annually by the IRS.
The military has failed the last FIVE audits by the IRS. Thoughts? Concerns? Also, are police a part of this belief structure? When the police murder an innocent person in cold blood, does that mean that they should be held to the Rule of Law? No government official is above it, right? Just wanna make sure you’re consistent.
Family is the core fabric that makes up all the other values. Thus “family values” and the existence of families are both paramount to the continuance of a free society.
Legislation in the early 1900s incentivized the establishment of families, and propped them up against dissolution. Laws that taxed married couples less than 2 individuals… Laws that required health checks and marriage licenses… Laws that regulate divorce…
Real eager to know if this guy thinks it should be the government’s job to regulate who is and isn’t allowed to get married. Ties into this guy’s views on if the LGBT should just quietly go away. From where I’m sitting, it isn’t the government’s business who someone marries, so long as they are of consenting age. But conservatives get real sticky about that, because so many of them have an issue with the same-sex and transgender crowd. Not gonna put words in this guy’s mouth, hence why I said I would be curious to know what this clown’s views are.
Well, that was my response. This person has more consistency than some conservatives, but there are plenty of their values that are absolute bullshit. Not surprise there. I have yet to find a conservative who isn’t at least partially full of shit. But I gave them a fair shake to put forth their case.
Edit: The dude in question decided that rather than respond to ANY of the substantive rebuttals I made to his values, in a response to this post (that is linked in the comments below, because I don’t censor a difference of opinion), he would say that my arguments boil down to, and I quote, “he chose to reply with attacks, cussing and name calling.” These are the same people who call me and mine “snowflakes.” I didn’t expect anything less from this guy. Because a few invectives cancels all of my very well-delivered argumentation. However, he did link to my post in his response, so hopefully some of his audience can come here and see how full of shit he is.
Until next time, a quote,
“If my answers frighten you, then you should cease asking scary questions.” – Jules, Pulp Fiction