For those who didn’t know, in addition to being a filthy liberal, I’m also a heathen atheist. I have heard all the arguments for the existence of God, and I find them all to be lacking. I don’t go into this all that much anymore, because my days of being the anti-religion shit-kicker are long behind me. Not to mention, I haven’t heard an original argument. However, I was made aware of this video, that has a Christian speaker who has a question that can seal the deal on turning a non-believer into a believer. Okay, let’s hope this is an original argument. Let’s watch this video, and then we’ll talk about it.
We start off with a very timid girl asking a question while chewing gum (that is so annoying. Don’t be one of those people) wanting to know how to get through to her non-believer friends. This dude’s answer should be good.
He begins by saying that this is the question he has when he goes “back and forth” with non-believers and feels there is “some resistance.” Yeah, resistance to his religious nonsense that I genuinely don’t understand how people can believe. It is so ludicrous on the face of it. The idea that there is a magic man in the sky who created everything. How can anyone buy that? Not a rhetorical question. Feel free to try your shot at giving me an original argument.
Then he says the question – if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian? What?! That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard! For starters, you have to not only prove that God is real, but that the God that’s real is the one you believe in. The ego of this assertion is mind-boggling. I’m supposed to be unable to answer this? Really? Because my answer is easy – assuming you could prove that not only does a deity exist, but it’s the one that you believe in, my answer is – no. I wouldn’t. Why? Because this deity of yours is sitting back and doing fuck-all while humanity is both fucking and polluting ourselves into extinction. While children are getting limbs blown off by landmines. While there are parasites designed to eat brains. That’s all they do. This world is a festering pile of shit, and if you can prove to me that your God exists, I would point to that and then ask the holier-than-thou fuck why he expects me to be cool with that. I’d ask where he gets off think that that is okay.
Now of course, you’d say “then I guess you aren’t going to Heaven.” Fine by me. I want no part of a Heaven that the God this man worships is involved with. A God who is small. Who created this massive, incredible universe, but for some reason actually cares where a man sticks his penis. A God who was able to create the countless worlds in the ever-expanding vastness of our universe, yet decided to send a bear to maul children to death for making fun of one of his prophets. A God who is able to create life from absolutely nothing, as it says in Genesis, yet is also very concerned if a youth is bad-mouthing their parents. Yeah, I want NOTHING to do with that God. Not one damn thing.
The dude decides to make my point for me and say that other atheists have had the same answer I have. Okay. Curious to see what his rebuttal is to this position. He begins by saying that because atheists claim to be reasonable, but then says that if something is proven to be true, would we believe it, and says we don’t. Wait a minute! That ain’t what you asked, dude. You asked that if Christianity were proven to be true, would we become Christian. Asking that and then asking if I believe it are two very different things. I would not become a Christian because the God you worship is either malevolent, incapable, or not a deity at all. Your God is pathetic, yet demands that we all think that he’s all-knowing, all-loving, and completely omnipotent. Why would I want to become part of you? Believing in something that has been proven and accepting that and following it are two very different things. As if your beliefs being proven would be so powerful that I would have to instantly become a Christian on the spot. No.
I love when Christians do this. They try and make a point but then turn it into something else. The reason they do this is because they know that they can’t win a straight argument with someone who is an educated non-believer. Their beliefs don’t hold up to scrutiny. So instead they have to make it about something else. They have to take their points and then stealthfully tweak them to an argument that works for them. Kirk Cameron was cited pointing this out by telling people to get around atheist’s logic and appeal directly to their emotions. This dude is dealing with a strawman who is really stupid and wouldn’t see what he did there. Idiot.
We then get into “they just want to be God of their own lives.” Ugh. I was really hoping for an original argument. I really, really was. I hoped this dude had something I haven’t heard before. Armoured Skeptic once said he’d give up his left nipple for an original religious argument, and part of me wants to go in on him with that, before he moved on to other things. Dude, you are the God of your own life. Why? Because God follows all the same values and prejudices that you do. Find any Christian, and they will tell you that God and Jesus think all the same things they do. It’s quite something. Don’t like gay people? Neither does God. Don’t like openly sexual people? Neither does God. Don’t like the idea of your money going to help people you don’t like? Well, you can make it so your God doesn’t like that either. It’s really amazing. It’s almost like the fucker can read your mind. Isn’t that amazing?
Oh, we got another question! Wait, never mind. It’s him asking the audience if the non-believer they want to convert is someone who is “actively seeking truth” or just someone who is openly hostile to religion. Wow. Strawman Atheist strikes again! Dude, I do look for truth. The difference is, your world has no truth. You believe in a magic man who has properties that could not be real if not for magic. It’s a fact. He flooded the Earth and had two of every animal in a boat and then had all those animals spread across the world without leaving any trace of themselves. Magic! He had a dude with Hulk strength all because of his hair. Magic! He created a man by forming dirt and then breathing into it. Magic! He turned a woman into a pillar of salt. Well, that one could be the Crimson Alchemist. Oh wait, it’s magic! There is no truth in what you have to say. I’m not openly hostile to your religion. I’ve just heard all the arguments and found it wanting.
And what do you know, his audience agrees with him! When he asks if the person the audience is thinking of is seeking truth, none of them raise their hands. It’s all just hostility towards God and the idea of God. This argument is so fucking dumb. I’ve heard it all a thousand times in a thousands different forms. “You just want the freedom to sin!” “You just don’t wanna believe in God! The evidence is everywhere!” And naturally this dude sits in a room full of people who agree with him and they can all have their confirmation bias safely stoked without any fear of contradiction. Because that’s how the Christian world works. A magical echo chamber, just like pretty much every other group in this country.
He concludes saying to just pray for the person who doesn’t believe in God and that will do the trick, because they’ll have some tribulation in their lives that will bring them to Jesus. Bullshit. I’ve had a TON of tribulation, never once did I think Jesus could do anything for me. It’s all a crock. But whatever. That’s the world we live in.
So, this was stupid. I beat that argument to death fairly easily. Always hoping for that one person who asks me a question that really gets me thinking. A man can dream, after all.
Until next time, a quote,
“But in the bullshit department, a businessman can’t hold a candle to a clergyman.” – George Carlin