So, I happened upon an article on The Huffington Post recently that made me stop and think. I’ve always held to the standard that believing in something without evidence is crazy. If I am going to believe something bombastic, I need extraordinary levels of proof. That’s how every major claim goes. That makes sense. So then, when I think about religion, what would compel me to believe in it? Or even a deity, for that matter? The whole concept of a God seems so foreign, to me. A God who is based on any of the major religions even moreso. I mean, come on – what deity would care if you like to fuck the same gender or not? That’s just ridiculous. An all-powerful being that made the universe wouldn’t care about any of us, because we are tiny ants in the cosmos. Hell, we’re like subatomic particles in the scope of the universe. However, there is one guy who says that even if God is shown to be nothing but a fairytale, he’d still believe in him. Here’s a link to the post, so you can read it for yourself. Let’s get started.
I thought about this point quite a lot, and pondered if they were right. Is it irrational to believe in God?
An extraordinary claim without one shred of proof? Yes, it is irrational to believe that.
I disagree that belief in God is irrational (as in the Higher Power who created the universe and everything within it). If anything, it is the complete opposite. Belief in an unknown Higher Power (being agnostic) seems to me to be the only truly rational option one can choose when contemplating the universe in which we abide,
I’m just DYING to see how you defend this claim.
While I don’t believe in organized religion, I do believe in God, and I do have faith in the narrative of Jesus, but I can openly accept the irrationality of it and how it is a matter of faith, not facts or rationality, that cause me to believe it.
And there we have it. He acknowledges earlier that organized religion is irrational and that it takes faith to believe it, yet then goes on to say that he believe in the narrative of Jesus. The same narrative that calls him the son of God and says that only through him are you saved. Only through him can you get into Heaven. The fact that the Jesus story was cobbled together from dozens of stories floating around the Mediterranean? The fact that there is little evidence that the biblical version of Jesus even existed at all? You make a case for the only rational explanation of the universe being a deity, denouncing the religious faiths, yet you subsequently make an argument that you believe in the Christian narrative. You are undermining your own case. You may not like the church, but if you believe in what the book it is based on teaches, you are a man of religion and faith. This isn’t rationality, Mick. It’s religion.
So, while I don’t think the Bible can be used in any concrete way to actually prove God exists or explain how the world was literally created, I do think that the universe we abide in is hard, physical evidence, something real and tangible, that we cannot ignore. To believe the universe is a matter of random chance―meaning that there is no intelligent design behind it―seems to me to be a far greater leap of faith.
How do you know that it was random chance? How do you know that the universe hasn’t always existed, in one form or another? You take the message that you find appealing and then make it fit your narrative, because you like the idea that there is a guy who created all this and cares about us. If you were just willing to admit that, at least I could respect your honesty. But no, you are trying to make this argument seem like it is making a compelling case, when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Playing lotto to solve your financial problems is not a rational option. The odds are way to long. Why then would we think its rational to believe that the universe, incredibly complex in its design, has no Designer, when the odds of that actually being true are enormous in cosmic sized proportions?
You don’t read a lot of Stephen Hawking, do you? He wrote a book not too long ago that explains how the forces in the universe can easily explain the origin of everything, without the need of a deity of any kind. It’s easy to look at how big the universe is, not understanding how science works, and say that it couldn’t be random. But you are simply ignorant. I’m sorry, but it’s true. You don’t get how science works. Do you have any idea how impressive the forces that made this planet and the star that we orbit are? Do you realize that all of those things happen without divine inspiration all the time? New stars are born, die and countless other celestial phenomenon are happening right now, all within the realms of what is scientifically possible. Or those that we have never seen before, yet wish to learn more about. I don’t like to call a man who sounds educated ignorant, but the reality is that you are. And that’s a shame, because the truth is that how the forces that we have observed and how they shaped things is far more interesting than a deity speaking it into existence. So, it isn’t random chance. It is science.
Sure, it’s irrational to believe in ancient religious narratives, that is a matter of faith, but to believe there is a Higher Power that designed and implemented the universe is not irrational, not when the only other option we have is that the universe just happened by fluke, right?
First, you believe in the story of Jesus Christ, so you are clearly displaying that you are one of these irrational people. Next, your ignorance shines again, when you say that the only other option for the universe coming into existence is random chance. You don’t understand science, yet you are basing your entire belief on life on this ignorance. To me, that is a problem. What’s more, that’s what theism is – ignorance. Willful or otherwise, it is being ignorant of the world. You, sir, are an ignorant man. Sorry if you don’t like that, but it’s true.
There is a lot more in the article, so I recommend you read it for yourself. This is just sad. Modern religion tries so hard to tell people it’s not religion, that they have lost sight that, at the end of the day – it is. Call it what you want, but it is still religion, organized or not.
Until next time, a quote,
“I was given something wonderful, something that changed me forever – a vision of the universe that tells us, undeniably, how tiny and insignificant and how rare and precious we all are. A vision that tells us that we belong to something that is greater than ourselves. That we are not, that none of us are alone! I wish that I could share that. I wish that everyone, even for one moment, that awe and humility and to hope.” -Eleanor Arroway, Contact