The Jesus “Sacrifice” is Bullshit

I remember growing up as a kid, I went to Lutheran church every Sunday.  It was boring, tedious, and I hated every minute of it.  I couldn’t stand that I had to take up my time at this place, and it felt like a waste.  But, despite that, I did pay attention to what the preacher and Sunday School teachers said.  And one thing that they talked about, a lot, was Jesus.  Well, duh.  Being Christians, that kind of comes up.  After all, he is supposed to be the son of God (yet also god.  What was that song about the guy who was his own grandpa?).  Still, it came up.

I remember hearing, over and over and over again, how Jesus sacrificed himself, and how I, the pitiful mortal wretch, should feel indebted to him.  That his sacrifice was so amazing.

He died for our sins!  Through him, we are all forgiven.

Heard that a lot.  There was also a lot of stuff about how wondrous this sacrifice was, and how we should be so grateful.  But the more I thought about this, even as a kid, the more I cocked an eyebrow.  Something about this story didn’t make sense.

First, read the Bible. In every gospel, Jesus knew EXACTLY what was coming his way.  Before he was imprisoned and taken before Pilate, he gathered his group of men (lots and lots of men.  Traveling together.  Just men.  Yeah…) and told the guys, “hey, I’m going to be betrayed tonight.  It’s gonna be one of ya’ll.  Oh, and another one of you will deny me three times.  Just giving you the heads up.”  He knew that he was going to be beaten and murdered.

So, Lucien?  What’s the problem?

A sacrifice isn’t a sacrifice unless it is truly for something.  If Jesus knew what was going to go down the entire time, then he didn’t truly give anything up.  If anything, he was following the plan, like a good little heavenly being.  He was doing what he daddy (who is also him.  Logic, what’s that?!) said.  His daddy (who is him) even told him what was about to go down.  So, how did he sacrifice?  He didn’t.  He took a beating and if you believe what happened in that story, he took it like a man, but in the end, he knew that he was just following the plan.

That brings us to the second problem in the story – he really didn’t lose anything.  Think about this – the dude gets beaten.  That sucks.  He then gets murdered.  That sucks too.  But, after spending a couple days in Hell, he then rises into Heaven and is totally chilling with his daddy (who is also him) and the Holy Spook for all eternity!  When one sacrifices, they actually lose something.  It is always something valuable to them.  What exactly did Jesus lose?  If anything, he gained from this “sacrifice.”  He lost his mortal body, but he gets to live in paradise, and demand that everybody worship the little fucker for all eternity.  Yeah, I can totally see how he did something so noble.

Next, why did God have to have this ridiculous human sacrifice to forgive us of our sins?  Last I checked (according to the Christians), he is supposed to be the creator of the universe, right?  He can snap his fingers, like the Q and make anything happen, right?  Well, in that case, why not just forgive us?  Without all the nonsense of this human sacrifice that, back in the days of Jesus, wouldn’t have even been known to the people until months or years later, because they didn’t exactly have the internet back then.  Information took a LONG time to get around.  But yeah, this being, who supposedly is all-powerful, couldn’t just wiggle his nose and forgive us?  That makes no sense!  Why do you Christians not see it, but I do?

Another plot hole in this story – why the sudden turnaround?  Why did God go from being a vengeful tyrant, as he most certainly was in the Old Testament, to being this guy who is all about the forgiveness?  In the Old Testament, God was kind of a psychotic monster.  He would kill people, slaughter entire populations (while letting those who did the slaughtering take home the virgin daughters as their fuck-slaves) and he even flooded the entire world, committing global genocide.  Where did this nice guy who suddenly thinks that forgiveness is the right thing to do come from?  Did God get on some meds for his anger issues?  Must be the good stuff.  I can think of somebody who should look his doctor up.

The fact is that, if one uses logic (something I know Christians are very uncomfortable with), this story makes no sense.  None.  Not the mention all the contradictions in the gospels themselves about everything that happened.  Oh, and the fact that not one of the gospels written was during Jesus’ lifetime, so we’ll never know if any of it was true.  No, there are just too many glaring plot-holes for this story to work.  And yet, all the time, I am hearing from Christians about how Jesus died for me, and I should be so grateful, and how I am wasting his “sacrifice.”

But the reality is that there was no sacrifice.  He knew what was coming, and he knew that after suffering for a couple of days, he gets to have an awesome time in heaven, chilling with his sky-daddy (who is also him).  This story is blatantly false, but the sad fact is that me saying that is just going to mix with the choir of atheists and agnostics who say that this is ridiculous.  The Christians don’t listen to reason.  They never have.  Faith is impenetrable by logic.  It’s the reason the Catholic church has stayed as powerful as it has for so long.

But thankfully, there is hope.  With information being so readily available as it is now, religion is disappearing at record speeds.  They simply cannot keep their tower of lies and bullshit aloft without ignorance anymore.  And once their tower crumbles under the weight of its own corruption, I say, good riddance!

Until next time, a quote,

“And while you’re at it, fuck JC!  He got off easy!  A day on the cross, a weekend in Hell, and all the hallelujah’s of the legion angels for eternity.  Try seven years in fucking Otisville J!”  -Monty Brogan, 25th Hour

Peace out,

Maverick

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4 thoughts on “The Jesus “Sacrifice” is Bullshit

  1. Lucien, I appreciate the fact that you find some aspects of Christianity illogical or hard to believe. I tend to think of myself as a very logical person, and I’ve spent a lot of time wrestling with different apparent contradictions, inconsistencies, or places the Bible just flat out didn’t make sense to me. In the end, I’ve found answers in most cases–the fault always lies in my limited logic or understanding, not with the Bible.

    You question the fact that Jesus really sacrificed anything, but it seems like your definition of sacrifice undermines most ideas of sacrifice. Jesus knew what was coming, but so does the overweight guy who sacrifices ease, comfort, and his favorite foods in order to lose weight. Jesus gained after his sacrifice, but so does the overweight guy who sticks to his diet and exercise program. Jesus knew what was coming, but that didn’t make it easy to face (as evidenced by his agony in the Garden of Gethsemane). If Jesus’ death on the cross isn’t an example of sacrifice, what is?

    I don’t want to argue–I offer these explanations as an encouragement to you to keep considering the claims of Christianity, to keep wrestling with whether the Bible is true or not. Ultimately it does require faith, but I don’t think Christianity requires unreasonable faith.

    • Christianity does require unreasonable faith. That’s a fact. For all the contradictions in the Bible, you can’t get past that. Like the story of Jesus’ birth. In two gospels, it’s not there at all! The earliest and the latest don’t talk about it. In the two that do, the stories contradict each other. Not to mention the fact that the entire book of Genesis is bullshit. We know that the Earth was not created in seven days. We know that life was not made by God. We know that all the events on Earth are caused by scientifically measurable actions, not God. We know this. You cannot believe otherwise without unreasonable faith. That’s a fact.

      As for your fat guy analogy, the fat guy did give up something – the food. And guess what, he’s still an overweight man. He just constantly battles against it. He did sacrifice because his sacrifice never ends. He is constantly battling his addiction to food. The same way that an alcoholic will always be an alcoholic. They can just resist drinking. There is sacrifice with them because they are working tirelessly. Jesus, on the other hand, gets to chill out with all the worship and praise of millions of people, not having to do a damn thing. So yeah, he didn’t give up anything. Nothing he feared losing, anyway.

      • While science has made amazing progress in understanding our world, I don’t think it deserves all the credit you’re giving it. I think “know” and “fact” are strong words to use for most of the claims you made, but I haven’t done a lot of reading on the latest discoveries, so I’ll leave it at that.

        On the other hand, there are some brilliant men in recent history who believed Christianity and embraced the Bible. C.S. Lewis, Blaise Pascal, and others were highly accomplished, well-studied, reasonable men who were Christians. And there are others today–Douglas Wilson comes to mind, as I watched him go toe-to-toe with Christopher Hitchens in a debate. And while I don’t think Wilson won the debate, I wouldn’t say he definitively lost–and he certainly wasn’t unreasonable or illogical.

        And I completely disagree on the idea of sacrifice. You don’t have to lose something permanently in order for it to qualify as a sacrifice. Training three months to compete in a marathon is sacrifice, even though I can return to my old lifestyle afterward. You’re also making it seem like being betrayed by someone you love, beaten within an inch of your life, mocked publicly by the people you came to save, and killed in a lengthy and painstaking manner is no big deal.

        The cross of Christ is a breathtaking display of love. He created us; told us how he designed life to function (the law); suffered heartbreak as we rejected him, rejected his prescription for how to live life, and in the process have harmed people he loves. When you consider that God is, in a sense, the father of all humanity and that the sins we commit always harm either other people or ourselves, it’s not hard to understand why God is angry at sin–and why he can’t just pretend it didn’t happen. The fact that Jesus was willing to take the full brunt of that anger in your place and in mine is a stunning example of love. I hope you see it in that light someday.

        Best wishes, Maverick.

      • Training three months is a sacrifice? No it isn’t! You are gaining experience and know-how to run a race. You want to run that race. It is not a sacrifice, it’s a goal. Your goal is to run the race, and you are willing to work for that goal. And I am saying that it is no big deal, because here’s the rub – it didn’t have to be that way. He knew EXACTLY what was coming, and how to avoid it.

        Next, the cross is not a display of love. It’s a display of frivolity and pointless killing. Never mind that God isn’t real. Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that he is. He could have, as I said in the post, just chosen to forgive us. Or, if he hates sin so much, why did he design us with the ability to commit it in the first place? Instead, he chooses a completely roundabout way of accomplishing nothing, which, as I said in the post, was meaningless because it would have been years before his sacrifice was even known to people, because information traveled incredibly slowly back then. Not to mention – how do you know the story is real? By the time the story got around, it was obviously embellished. People embellish stories naturally. It’s what we do.

        You bring up Christopher Hitchens. Well, to answer the true pointlessness of Jesus and his “sacrifice” (which wasn’t one, as I have pointed out), let’s take a quote from him –

        “In order to believe the Christian message, you have to believe this – that those hundred-thousand years, people were born. Died. Usually, many of them in child-birth. Either the mother or the child. Had a life expectancy of about 28 years, 25. Died of microorganisms they didn’t know existed. Genesis doesn’t mention them because the writers of Genesis don’t know there are microorganisms. Earthquakes would have been terrifying. Tsunamis, volcanoes, mysterious events. War, famine, super-imposed on us. You can all fill out this picture for yourselves, I’m sure. That was our life. For tens of thousands of years, on and on it went. Maybe a gradual upward curve, of a sort. We seem to have made some progress. Very painfully, and with infinite suffering and labor. And with our solidarity still intact. Now here’s what you have to believe – you have to believe Heaven watched that, for 98,000 years. And after 98,000 years, 2,000 years, it may be time to intervene. And the best way of doing that would be to have a filthy human sacrifice in a very remote part of Palestine. And the news of this has still not penetrated to the rest of the world, and I don’t think will be believed when it does, and isn’t believed by me, and can’t be believed by any thinking person.”

        There you have it. This story is ludicrously insane, completely pointless, and it goes in the face of all logic. But you aren’t coming at me with logic. You are appealing to me that smart people have believed in God (So?), saying that your imaginary friend loves us (but supposedly created us to be able to do what he doesn’t like), and simply couldn’t have just wiggled his nose and forgiven us.

        That is the stupidest thing in the history of the world, and the fact that you, a person who seems to have a somewhat competent brain on his shoulders, believe this bullshit is utterly baffling. Here’s what I think – I think you’re like so many other Christians who want to rationalize the Bible. The reason you want to rationalize it is because you are too scared to imagine a world without God, because you were raised with it, and it is all you know. And for that, I’m sorry. You should have been raised with a fair and nuanced approach to the world. Religion has got to go.

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